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What follows is an edited version of our conversation. We started writing letters to each other all the time then talking on the phone for hours. I remember seeing it on when he was on the run and then when he was captured — I saw an interview with Marcia [the mother of his son] in Brazil. When I finally did, it took nine hours to drive from Oakland to Calapatria. I wore a white muumuu with a plumeria in my hair, and I had a bouquet of plumeria flowers.